>Another wrinkle: I was hoping to use the same cable for a 16C774 >(whenever I can get my hands on one), but on that chip the 2 pairs are >different, one pair is analog Vdd and Vss. I have treat them as AVdd and AVss anyway. No, I don't believe they are connected internally. Yes, we changed a Parallax programmer to only put 5V on the line and modified it to work on RB.3 in LVP mode - it works. We are planning on using this to burn already-installed equipment in a TV set (www.icommsys.com). Andy ================================================================== Eternity is only a heartbeat away - are you ready? Ask me how! ------------------------------------------------------------------ andy@rc-hydros.com http://www.rc-hydros.com - Race Boats andy@montanadesign.com http://www.montanadesign.com - Electronics ==================================================================