Mike M wrote:

> Hey if u plug in a pic chip specifically a 16c84 right out the
> packaging un programmed and wire it to +5v and mclr to +5v trough a 1k
> resistor and place a 4mhz crystale with two caps on it going to ground
> should the crystal be oscillating if u put a logic probe on it or no?

  No.  Program it.
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        Paul B.