My perception of what people are unhappy about, is [OT] posts that aren't about TECHNICAL issues, but wander into Sports, pet preferences, religion, politics, history, Car brand preferences, etc. etc.... The thought I came up with is that we might split the current OT category, into 2 pieces, plus have a PIC related topic; If we implement the Subcategories for the PICList in the L-Soft list engine, and give it these 3 categories, it might help some people: [PICs] For PIC-related posts [Tech] For technical, non-PIC-related posts [Fluff] For everything else. (From the point of view of someone who doesn't want to HEAR politics/religion, that sort of thing's Fluff - I figure this category will remind people of that.) Posts with the subcategory thing turned on would be ignored if they didn't have a proper subcategory, of course. The L-Soft engine wouldn't pass improperly formed posts to the list. (Add to that, drawing and quartering anyone who posts political or religious stuff in a post that isn't marked just strictly [Fluff], and some'll be happier - Boy, what it takes to please SOME people! ) Mark (Need to get to the Survey today, got the stove so I'll have heat here later this week, it's cold in here just now!)