I have pic basic pro if you are interested. You can get a lite version from www.melabs.com for the 16f84 only... also, i have the PDF file that is the instruction book.. this basic is extremely compatible with parallax's pbasic. Wes kd4rdb@usa.net Stupidity should be painful __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html