Wait! than again, it might make a good audio generator.. that is, if you can stand the heat. Seriously, Marquis, I think what Paul is saying is that the material is not (probably is not) anything like what you would use in a magnetic device. The permeability and flux density and complex parameters like that mean everything. The difference between a filament transformer and a 100KHz switching transfromer (flyback mode) are extremely different. For a self oscillating 'converter' transformer, there are short but very high current spikes at the end of each on cycle, by design, in the saturating core. The core materials are frequently refered to as 'square 80' or 'Square 40' due to the nearly rectangular shape of the BH curves. If you do not use these materials, the unit will be inefficient, and generate COPIOUS amounts of heat. In practice, I would specify the general parameters of your transformer, like VIN, VOUT, IPEAK, Lpri, and ratio. Let the transformer manufacturer worry about pri turns, foil or litz or wire, and core material. Most non-transformer manufacturers are woefully unprepared to play with these things. How would you gap a toroid at 15 mils? Seriously. Choose a manufacturer, and schedule your shipments so that they can plan them ahead. If your volumes are low, your price will be high. Squealing will not change that. If your volumes are high, they will listen a lot harder when you say jump. Good luck. Chris Eddy Pioneer Microsystems, Inc. >marquis De wrote: > >> im almost tempted to get a long strip of spring steel, and do it >> myself! > > I wouldn't do that if I were you. Spring steel has *nothing* to do >with transformers. >-- > Cheers, > Paul B.