Hi I want to connect the handheld PC(with internal modem) and the desktop computer, is the resistor + 9v batt method reliable, what baud rate could I use ?? I want to connect them via modem cause I don4t have the serial cable :-( There is no problem if I invert the tip and ring wires, right? Thanks Javier PD Are there any trafos in your schematic, Wagner ? I4m not very good reading ascii4s. -----Mensaje original----- De: Wagner Lipnharski Para: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Fecha: Sabado 2 de Octubre de 1999 16:17 p.m. Asunto: Re: [MIGUEL][OT] TWO MODEMS >Michael Rigby-Jones wrote: >[snip] >> > >> > | < Connect to negative terminal of PS/Battery >> > ---------+ | +-------------+ >> > modem A |Red -------+-----| modem B | >> > |Green -------+---| | >> > ---------+ | +-------------+ >> > | < Connect to positive terminal of PS/Battery >> > >> > The power supply MUST be well filtered & regulated. Any power supply hum >> > on >> > the telephone line will probably ruin any hopes of high speed data >> > transmission. >> > >> > >> This surely can not be correct, the presence of a nice low impedance battery >> or PSU would effectively short the lines for any signal, making comms >> impossible. I thought the the supply was effectively in SERIES with the >> line? >> > >In real, both devices have a phone line transformer that connects to the >phone line, and that's all. Of course, signals generated by one device >is transfered to the other via the transformers, however, the signal's >power is very low and it is not enough to make a clear "conversation". > >What happens in real, is that if you supply a current to the phone line, >it will flow through the secondary coil (impedance) of the >transformers. When your modem inject a signal at the primary coil, it >is changing the transformer coils impedance, so in real it is modulating >a bit the current flowing at the secondary. > >The other transformer is also affected by this current modulation, so >the other device "hears" the signal sent by the first device, much >better than without this "carrier modulated current". > >You have two ways to do that: > >a) You can insert a battery in series with the phone line, it means, one >phone line wire will be cut and have a battery inserted closing the >circuit. By this way, a closed loop current will be flowing in a >circular path through this circuit. There is a problem; It creates >echoes and spurious noises because the current is in loop. > >b) Based on the ASCII design above, you can insert a "ballast" or >"pull-up" resistor between the Green wire to the positive of the battery >or power supply. This way, the current will be splitted and flow >towards both transformers at the same time. The pull-up resistor ensures >(Voltage) modulation from one transformer to another. The difference >here is that *if* the pull-up resistor is in the middle of the phone >line (not close to one transformer or another, as happens in our actual >phone switching centrals), the current will flows in opposite directions >from the supply point to the transformers, and it is less sensitive to >echoes, reflections and EMI interference, and the customer will always >know which side is grounded. > > + 12Vdc > | > R 270 to 500 Ohms > Current R >Modem #1 <--- | ---> Modem #2 >---. .-------------o--------------. .--- > 3|( 3|( > 3|( 600 Ohms 600 Ohms 3|( > 3|( Phone Line 3|( >---' '-------------o--------------' '--- > | > Ground > > >If you want to simulate the phone line voltages and currents: > > + 48Vdc > | > R 2 kOhms > Current R >Modem #1 <--- | ---> Modem #2 > | >---. .----RRR------o------RRR----. .--- > 3|( 150 Ohms 150 Ohms 3|( > 3|( 3|( > 3|( Phone Line 3|( >---' '-------------o--------------' '--- > 600 Ohms | 600 Ohms > Ground > > > >If you want to simulate the "Ringing Signal", use this circuit: > > > + 48Vdc > | > o------>\ <----. > | \ | Relay Contact, clicking > | \ | at 20 Hz > | o GND > | | > 2 kOhms R === > R --- 10 to 30uF > | | > | | > | / | > o--o/ o---' > | RING SW > | > Current | >Modem #1 <--- | ---> Modem #2 > | >---. .----RRR------o------RRR----. .--- > 3|( 150 Ohms 150 Ohms 3|( > 3|( 3|( > 3|( Phone Line 3|( >---' '-------------o--------------' '--- > 600 Ohms | 600 Ohms > Ground > > >Wagner Lipnharski