I had a lot of trouble with various resonators (16 MHz on 16c74x). Each company said the resonator was fine if it worked in their CMOS inverter circuit and they made no claims regarding operation with a PIC. The exception is muRata. Go to their website, then follow the link to their site in Japan. They have a search engine where you can put in the number of the chip you want to use with the resonator and it'll return the muRata part number that WILL WORK. They've actually characterized the resonators with the various chips. Thousands of resonators later, I've had good luck... Harold On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:29:42 -0700 Dave Johnson writes: > I have four identical prototype boards with PIC16F877s and 4MHz > ceramic > resonators (with built-in caps). Three of the four boards work > great, but > the fourth has startup problems. And since oscillators and crystals > are > still black magic to me, I'm a little clueless what to look for. > > Symptoms: sometimes it never comes to life at all when powered up, > and > scoping the resonator shows me a flatline. Sometimes it does come > up, but > usually after a delay. Sometimes just scoping the resonator, or > touching > pins around the resonator, kicks it into life, at least momentarily. > (There's an led startup sequence so I can see it's progress, and > sometimes it gets part way through then freezes, other times it > starts up > and keeps going.) Once it ran for a minute or so then just stopped > in its > tracks. > > Thanks for any debugging suggestions, this is an area I need to > learn > more about, obviously :-) > > Dave Johnson ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.