I'm not sure how to read the osccal value, but I've done a read on the four eight-pin devices I've got in stock and they all have a value written into the top address. Is this the osccal value? On the basis that it might be, here are the values: 12C509A: C70 12C509A: C74 12C508A: C70 12C508A: C74 Funny there are only two values, although it is a tiny sample. Don't know if this is of any help. Steve Steve Thackery Suffolk, England. Web Site: http://www.btinternet.com/~stevethack/