I'm new to pics. I've got a programmer that programs the pic16f84, and other pics though an adapter. I'm on a tight budget and can't afford the expensive adapter. I realize there are 5 lines to program the pic, sometimes 6(my circuit has an oscillator terminal grounded, whats this for, is it important?). Three power lines (+5, GND, and +12) and two other lines that on the pic 84 are hooked up to RB6 and RB7. What would I hook these two lines up to on the pic12c508 for programming? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com