> I have to confess I tire a bit of the hi level programmer bashing. > With much of my life spent amongst the class wizard and visual > editors of various sorts, I assure you that there is good and bad > software engineering occuring at all levels. Indeed, it is far > easier to write terrible code at hi levels, since it's far more > likely to 'sorta work'. Here Here! Eschew Obsfucated Ultra Turbo C++ Embrace Simple Assembler.