> if you need an Operating System in your > product, you're a wimp! That means the Unix weenies are the biggest wimps > of all! > > Give me raw access to the sand! > > Andy I have to confess I tire a bit of the hi level programmer bashing. With much of my life spent amongst the class wizard and visual editors of various sorts, I assure you that there is good and bad software engineering occuring at all levels. Indeed, it is far easier to write terrible code at hi levels, since it's far more likely to 'sorta work'. -- Anniepoo Need loco motors? http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html