Dennis, I have used OrCad Express, Capture, and Layout Plus at one time or another throughout my electronics career so far. And, like any software package, there is a learning curve associated with it. I didn't much care for any of OrCad's products when I first started, but after a while, I got used to it, and now probably wouldn't change unless I just had to. My point is that once you get to know the package, you can make it do just about anything you want it to. So the fact that top down design is not implemented isn't as much of a problem as it may first seem. What I mean to say is that when you first look at a new cad package of any kind, you easily realize what is and isn't there and you say to yourself "Boy, why didn't they implement this or that", but when it comes down to it, you learn the package, learn it's quarks, figure a workaround, and start making it do what you want it to do, regardless of whether it was designed to do things that way or not. I hope I've helped you in some way, and not just confused you more, but I do believe that almost any cad package can be made to perform nearly anyway you want it to as long as you study the package and learn it, then you can use it creatively to perform those functions you want it to. Granted, there are exceptions, but I haven't let that stop me. Okay, I'm done now. Good luck in your review. And good luck in your Masters program. Regards, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Plunkett To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [OT] ORCAD EXPRESS >2/9/'99 > > >Hello all, >Sorry that this is a lot OT but... >I have to use a software package that I must review for my Masters, and >well I have not spent much time (Only got 3 hours at it so far) > >Last night was the first time that I have used ORCAD EXPRESS (To implement >an FPGA), and well... >One thing I did nottice is that you can not perform top down design, it >requires bottom up. I aslo seen that the design itself in the directory >structure does not hold the same hierachial format and appears flat, >including the need to set one of the schematics as the root (No default). >Errors during compilation for simulation don't point you to the error > >On simulation I could not figure out how to activte a word patten generator >(Does it have one, or do I have to use some text file?) > >You can get caught with saving a project vs saving the current work > >In general I must admit that I have not given this tool much of my time >(Did implement and test an 8 to 1 MUX as a hierachial format of 2 to 1 MUX >to form a 4to1 and simulate it), but first impressions are important and >the ease of driving and expectations are also important (Perhaps I an a bit >biased due to me testing software applications on a daily basis) > >While other aspects are the same old same'o' which made be fell NEC (Nice >Easy and Comftable). So I would say (Ignoring all the bugs that I was able >to create etc (Not listed here)) that this tool is good but has a few >quirks (But the again so do all the others) and does not seem as >intergrated as the Altera MAX2 (Just from the FPGA point of view), but then >again this tool will do ccts and other FPGAS etc. > >Do you blokes have any comments that may sway my thoughts, what problems >have you found with it etc. (Plase don't say that tool X does Y, I have to >look at this tool on its own)? > >Dennis