Many thanks for hte help in 'monitoring no change' especially Jim. Now my Friend has another problem, it is to randomly switch on one led of a stack of 6 (to 10) leds for a short period and then to light another (could be same one), continuing so that all leds are lit after a while, but with no obvious sequencing of Leds being lit, this is to continue indefinately, with no obvious long term pattern. Many thanks for all help Andrew Farrar and Terry Hobell