Gary, If your stepper isn't moving very fast, and you aren't grossly overloading the s tepper so it misses steps or slips, you should be able to just use the stepper by itself. The whole POINT of a stepper motor is, it moves a set amount each phase change. A common need with steppers is to figure out where they are at power on. Usually this can be handled with a photodetector or some such and slewing the motor around until you detect the photodetector. That's what's happening when you turn on a cheap computer printer and it slews the carriage to one end. -- Anniepoo Need loco motors? http://www.idiom.com/~anniepoo/depot/motors.html