This question may be straying a bit but has the same goal. Does anyone know of a source of laser printable metal foil label stock. I have used printed metal foil labels on panels before & would like to make my own. Thanks for your help -Dan - W6DFW ------------------------------------------------------------ At 02:03 PM 8/26/99 +1200, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Over the years I've tried heaps of methods for making neat looking >panels so I'd thought I would dump my experimenters brain here in >the hope that people might gain something useful from it. Should >be relevant for hobbyists, prototypers and small run manufacturers. > >Firstly I used colour inkjet printouts on paper. Spray it with an art >protector lacquer that gives UV protection. The paper soaks this up >and becomes a little more opaque, but much more hard wearing >and a semi-waterproof. A sheet of double sided adhesive tape on >the back (or spray adhesive) and stick it on the panel. Paint the >panel white first if necessary to improve the appearance. Where >possible a sheet of 1mm polycarbonate over the front, held in place >by switches, pots, terminal posts etc makes it look professional >and wear well. > >Variation: For all my prototype stuff now I make my panels as >above but I go down the road to the local colour copy centre and >get my print-out plastic laminated to make it look/last a little better. >These laminating services often give gloss one side and matt on >the other, so matt is what you want for a non-glare finish. Cut out >any windows for LEDs and displays before laminating. > >Next method: Laser print or ink jet print on transparency. (Must be >the right type of material for your printer). Flip your image upside >down before printing, so it gets viewed through the transparency. >Now scratches won't wreck it! Spray over the printed side with >gloss white enamel, and back with a layer of double sided adhesive >tape. I initially used white undercoat as it covers better, doesn't >peel off easily, and didn't affect the toner (some enamel paints did), >but it is less white, somewhat hydroscopic (moisture soaks in from >the edges and wrecks inkjet printouts) and tends to discolour a >little with UV and age. For black and white laser prints you can use >any colour paint, even fluorescent and metalics! These labels, the >laser printer ones anyway, are really quick and easy to make, >robust, and stay looking good for ages. You can get clear windows >for LEDs and displays by masking before painting. > >Other: Professional screen printing companies use scratch >resistant polyester with that nice textured finish. They can now >supply you with a specially coated thin version of this polyester to >put through your ink jet printer. You stick on a white backing sheet >supplied, over the printing, and add double sided tape. This is a >really promising system but the downsides are: ink jet only, water >ingress from edges spoils them, hassle cutting out white backing >sheet for windows. > >Production: Ultimately (traditionally?), professional quality overlays >use screen printing on the back of polyester substrates and involve >expensive setup costs. Polycarbonate is cheaper but lower quality. > >Tips for windows: For display windows you can cut out your overlay >right out and use a piece of clear polcarbonate or filter material >behind it. Let it overlap behind your overlay so that it sticks to the >adhesive to help hold it in place and for sealing. For LED windows >you can get away with not cutting out the adhesive, this adds a >little diffusing to the light which may be desired. > >Tips for switches: All the above methods work well for tactile >switches mounted behind the overlay. The switches feel better if >they are not adhered to by the adhesive backing. A good idea is to >put a piece of thin plastic on top of the adhesive, between the >overlay and the switch. This makes it better wearing too. > >Another option: A sign company here has a machine called Gerber >Edge. Its looks to be a kind of a thermal foil transfer printer, 300dpi. >It prints onto the reverse side of a range of available substrates >including one called lex-edge, which is similar to polyester >overlays. I needed 3 professional quality overlays sized 135 x >80mm, 4 colours, in a hurry. They did the job for NZ$70 (US$30). >Quality as good as screen printing except for alignment of colours >not as precise. Minimal setup costs, artwork supplied by me on >disk straight into their software, looks cheaper than screen printing >for quantities up to about 100. > >General: You can learn heaps by experimenting. There are many >different materials/processes you could use so don't be afraid to try >some crazy combinations, and don't listen too seriously to people >who say you can't do it that way. > >Oops, didn't mean it to be such a huge essay, >comments/questions/opinions welcome. > >Brent Brown >Electronic Design Solutions >16 English Street >Hamilton, New Zealand >Ph/fax: +64 7 849 0069 >Mobile: 025 334 069 >eMail: brent.brown@clear.net.nz > > -Dan amersci@flash.net