hi! more on the matter of the chip that didna work, then worked after a reburn. you ask some good questions. the target board's voltage is 5.04 volts, 5.04 volts that is until some of the LED displays kick in which variously drag it down as low as 4.5 volts when many are on. the nature of the circuit and program is such that this voltage variance happens in psuedorandom cycles, changing at quite low rates, perhaps only as fast as 2 times per second. the glitched section of the code happened after a time of no LEDs on. although i can appreciate that this may be meaningless, it would be exciting, so to speak, to see me getting slammed with the glitch when the juice dropped to its minimum. the programmer is an old Parallax PIC16CXX-PGM running firmware version 4.3 (ca. 1998?). i do not know if you call this a hobbyist burner, but i will say that it has served me well for years. and i must admit that i run PICs usually from batteries and informal regulatory regimes ranging from 6 volts to 4+ volts, i only say this because i have never had a problem like this one crop up before. i may just be lucky! and i want you to know i do not send these things out to fly to the moon or run your pacemaker! :-) -- rb