Anecdotal evidence I am getting seems to suggest that Atmel AVR's with 4K and 8K Flash, plus a basic compiler (mcselec.com) is starting to erode PIC dominance. Comments? Right. Wrong. Maybe? Room for both? Thank you, regards, Peter Crowcroft DIY Electronics (HK) Ltd PO Box 88458, Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong Voice: 852-2720 0255 Fax: 852-2725 0610 Email: peter@kitsrus.com Web: http://kitsrus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------