Russell McMahon wrote: > > From: Brent Brown +ADw-brent.brown+AEA-clear.net.nz+AD4- > > I have seen a couple of postings lately on the PIC list and Philips > list with the reference to the Atmel list - but I can't find it+ACE- Can you > please tell me how to get onto it? I went to their web site and > subscribbled to the newsletter but it dosen't seem to be the same > thing. > Thanks in advance, Brent > > Try these - > > Back in September last year PaulB write that Glen Jones wrote - > > +AD4- is there a mailing list similar to this one for discussing Atmel's > +AD4- products? > > The Atmel list is very quiet (perhaps an advantage), but useful. > Signup data at http://www.ip.co.za/people/kalle/atmel.htm+ACM-list . > > The Motorola HC11 list, which fields most of the practical HC12 and > HC16 stuff as well, and is tenuously related to HC05 stuff, can be > subscribed by sending to mailto:Majordomo+AEA-freeware.mcu.motsps.com with > the command in the message body subscribe mot-68hc11-apps +ADw-your-address+AD 4- > It is +ACo-fairly+ACo- busy+ADs- perhaps half the traffic of this. > > THIS NEXT ONE MAY BE OUT OF DATE > > For the Philips 8051 derivative list (comes in digest form+ADs- some > advantages, some disadvantages), you send a SUBJECT line command > +ACI-subscribe+ACI- to mailto:forum-request+AEA-philipsmcu.com > > RM I should not say this, but...just a wise recommendation about that Atmel list... read and re-read your post 100 times before you click the "Send" button, do not post anything that is not 100% directed connected to Atmel parts, not even dream about to ask or post about general logic, transistors, ttl gates, RS232, protocols, the best keyboard matrix solutions, lcd manufacturer, switching power supplies or something like that. If you want to ask about how to eliminate ripple at VCC you should specify why and how it is interfering with your Atmel part. Kalle controls the forum with Iron's Hand and there is no chance you can think about that forum as a source of information other than pure Atmel parts. That forum is not connected to Atmel in any way. As you can imagine, Atmel produced the AVR series after the 8051, as a RISC high quality new step over the '51 family, with different instruction code and logic, but almost *all* the AVR users are old '51 users, so it is very easy to start a long sequence of threads about '51 there. Several times it was widely discussed about to separate '51 people from that forum, even that Atmel has at least 5 parts based on the '51 family. Several new '51 forums started to try to minimize the problems there. I made part of that forum for several months, and last year I saw somebody asking for help about a problem related to keys, leds and logic to connect to an Atmel part, I saw several posts crossing and several people trying to help the person. As the problem was not very well posted, it took a while to make the helpers understand clearly what was the real problem, so several ASCII drawings crossed the bandwidth. When I saw the situation I tried to help the person, made a circuit drawing at Orcad and emailed the gif file to the person's email address as an attachment. The person answered my email to the forum instead to me (I don't know why), I received a copy and not noticed the wrong "reply to", answered with another 5k image attachment of another drawing and found a mistake at the drawing, corrected it and sent again (by mistake to the forum again). In the mean time of my two posts somebody did complain about the attachments and I did not see it, so Kalle thought I was stepping above people's complains there, and you know what? he BANNED me from the forum, my posts were not echoed to the list anymore. Attachments are not allowed at that forum, well, not at any forum, but people do mistakes. I am not a kid anymore, I don't "play" and this is not a game, my time is valuable and if I dedicate my time to help strangers around it is my choice and it represents some value to my life. Somebody said I am dumb to help strangers, I am very sad to find people that think like that. I am pretty sure that kind of people love to receive help from strangers when they need it. Perhaps 99% of the time my posts are [OT], but in some way we learn a lot from [OT] posts. How many forums do you visit to have answers to all your questions regarding electronics? The best teacher I ever had at electronic classes was one nice guy who dedicated half of the class time to talk about how to build a telescope, how he fixed his car carburetor in the middle of the street, and how his neighbor fixed a nasty ants attack at the backyard. Even so, the class average grades were always higher than all other teachers. I am nobody, but that situation created a large confusion at that forum, I received more than 100 emails of support, and some nasty ones too (there are always nasty ones). More than dozen friends fed me with the "fighting posts" that followed that day. One of those "help and supportive" emails had a phrase I saved for life, I would never forget it, and I believe not even Kalle will (it was also posted to the forum, somebody told me later), it says; "IT IS VERY NICE TO BE IMPORTANT, BUT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO BE NICE". I recognize some names here from the Atmel forum, Mr. Brent Crosby (recently arrived here) is one of the nice and fine persons I met there. By the same reason I can alert you not to connect a PIC to +500Vdc I am saying "beware of that forum iron's hand". I always said that a forum is made by the people who frequent it, not by the "king of the mountain". I hope I not motivating people to do [OT]s, I understand that there are [OT]s and [OT]s, I think that in an electronic PIC forum for example, you could post an [OT] relative to ripple at VCC or how to program a LCD display, or how to transmit data via power lines... in some way everything is relative, everybody can learn a little bit more. But you will not post an [OT] about how to bake a cake, except if the oven is PIC controlled, huh? ;) A forum should be a friendly place, where you go because you feel confortable and as a wonderful resource of information, and this one here is one of the best I ever found. Please, my speech was big and enough, try to avoid to expand this subject. Wagner.