Following up on my question of a couple of weeks ago about "Eagle-friendly Boardhouses". After looking around a bunch more and following some leads I got in response, I finally found a board house that, amazingly enough, is about 3 miles from my house (although I work about 25 miles from my house); I've driven by it a thousand times and never knew it was there. They're EMDS (http://www.emds.com) and they have been very nice to work with. I expect to have my first, simple, double-sided board from them within a week or two (mostly a matter of getting the procurement aspects straightened out). FWIW, my first board is an RS-232 to RS-485 converter, and once I've had a chance to test the Boards, I'll release all the files and schematics I used to make it for anyone who is interested. The wire-wrap prototypes work like a charm. I'll make a separate announcement when the stuff is all ready. I found them through an industry association site: http://www.ipc.org. That site has a bunch of good information and links to more information. They have a search engine to help you find local board manufacturers and contract assemblers. One link that I followed off the IPC site is worth mentioning: http://www.lavenir.com. Lavenir has a free Gerber viewer available for download, which I found quite useful. The main problem is that you can't edit or save your work -- it costs about $500 to get those features. But at least you can get a clue of what is actually in those Gerber files. I think that my original problem was that the first boardhouse I spoke with (http://www.advancedcircuits.com) was unusually Eagle-hostile, and I decided that the reason for it may be that they have the place so intensely automated that they have virtually no tolerance for slight variations in Gerber format (There appear to be multiple versions of the Gerber standard, and it may be that Eagle doesn't spit out the one that they need). EMDS gave me a full, one hour tour of the facility, BTW, which was absolutely fascinating. They can make up to 16-layer boards there, and they had some pretty cool equipment. Thanks again, --Bob -- ============================================================ Bob Drzyzgula It's not a problem bob@drzyzgula.org until something bad happens ============================================================