thanks for the catch, mark, darn brain browns out whenever i try to put any load on it. more coffee.... alice > > and go to step 3. > > Um... Um... Uh... > > I usually pull ~MClr UP to Vss/Vcc (+5V), through a 10k resistor (for > example), if it's at Ground the PIC's being held in reset, don't expect > the PIC to run... > >