Funny - I too was looking at one of these. Last time is was in Silicon Valley I picked up 12 7*5 led arrays so figured a 7*60 sign would be fun. Each array needs 12 pin drivers (ie 144 pins total). Rather than MUX I thought of using 5450 serial parallel LED drivers (these are 2 pin in 34 pin out) so I could use 5 and have software/EEPROM do all the work. That would leave enough pins on the 16F84 for a serial eeprom to hold the message data and scrolling options. I'm not a hardware guy so does this make sense - is there a better/ cheaper way. Brian Brian E Jones Centre for Java Technology IBM HURSLEY