> > Andy, make 5-year pins for people, maybe, who've toughed it out that > >long? (These pins should have lots of thorny type edges, as anyone who > >stays here, MUST be masochistic ) > > Well, gee, I don't have any casting equipment - but I have a friend in > Kennewick who does.... Guys, guys, get with the program- the pin should be a windowed DIP PIC. I'll contribute one with the Protect fuses blown! :( Etch suitable text. And apply to recipent with a small mallet. Those 28 (40?) little holes are perfect for these long-time masochists. For the lesser dietys, use 8 pin PICs. ------------ Barry King, KA1NLH Engineering Manager NRG Systems "Measuring the Wind's Energy" Hinesburg, Vermont, USA www.nrgsystems.com