I normally try to stay out of these discussions, but, intending no defense of Clinton whatsoever: Paul, The primary thing that disturbs me about the parade of folly you allude to is the pathological appetite that the public seems to have acquired for dirt on our civil servants. The media has morphed into a dirt-fueled machine that cannot survive without a steady supply thereof, and there appear to be virtually no bounds on the severity of error or indiscretion that must be reported. Who among us would survive such scrutiny untarnished? What I cannot for the life of me now understand is why on earth any but the most reckless, strong-willed and power-hungry among us would ever want to subject themselves to the trial-by-fire that is now required of any candidate for public office. And if you accept this as necessarily a rhetorical question, then it should be no surprise to anyone that we wind up with reckless, strong-willed and power-hungry politicians. Seek, and ye shall find. I think that if the people want better choices, then they need to (a) give decent but imperfect people some breathing room to run for office, and (b) have the courage to offer them decent pay. The gap between public and private salaries at top management levels is inexcusable. Skilled, creative senior managers within government can increase their annual incomes tenfold simply by entering the private sector. The implications of this should be obvious. --Bob BTW, I would be very surprised if more than a very few people voted for Clinton because of his indescretions. I think that, astonishing as this may seem, many if not most people placed a higher importance on policy issues, whether or not you agree with their choice. Many others seem to have simply felt that the alternatives sucked even worse. Disclosure: I do work for a US government agency, but I am very happy with my pay, my job and with my managers. Yes, I'm lucky in that way. Before anyone asks, I always post from a private account to help make it clear that my words in no way represent the views of my employer. On Fri, Jul 23, 1999 at 08:01:52AM +1000, Paul B. Webster VK2BZC wrote: > Isn't politics remarkable? > > I recall when I was still in school and thought government was about > managing a country and looking after the people, providing services such > as transport, medical care etc... > > Our pollies, colourful though they be, have mostly been eccentric in > proportion to our scale to the world. We just sit and marvel at the > sheer breathtaking scope of presidents elected on the basis of their > career in the movies, their prowess as an adulterer (with the staff > allocated them), or the vision of election to the senate on the basis of > sympathy for the wife of such a former. > > Isn't politics remarkable? > -- > Cheers, > Paul B. -- ============================================================ Bob Drzyzgula It's not a problem bob@drzyzgula.org until something bad happens ============================================================