In message <37934FA6.F4E14DFB@icon.co.za>, Quentin writes >Andy Kunz wrote: > >> >> You can shoot them in NJ, too. But they send you to jail for life for >> attempted murder and he's back on the street in a couple days. >> >Yup, same here in SA. Also, if you miss, they can prosecute you for >firing a weapon in a residential area. If you just injure him, the >criminal here can also make a case against you for man slaughter or >attempted murder. Wonder if Tjaart is OK ITR. Human Rights can have a >funny backlash on the inocent. There is a thing going around here in SA >about that the criminal got more legal rights than the victim. > >So what's the moral of the story? >When you shoot, you better kill him, 'cause then you will have no >witnesses. >(Just a misquote, I don't even own a gun). Well in the UK you're not even allowed to own a gun (except licensed shotguns), never mind fire one at some one!. As a practising martial artist we train NEVER to call the police, just leave the body (dead or otherwise!) and run away :-). My wife's cousins husband was attacked a couple of years ago taking money out of a bank cash machine late at night, he thumped the attempted muggers and they ran away!. Being a law abiding citizen he immediately went to report the crime at the nearest police station, where he was informed that if the muggers reported him he would be arrested for assault!. That's why we train to make a mess of the basta*ds and disappear :-). -- Nigel. /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Nigel Goodwin | Internet : nigelg@lpilsley.demon.co.uk | | Lower Pilsley | Web Page : http://www.lpilsley.demon.co.uk | | Chesterfield | Official site for Shin Ki and New Spirit | | England | Ju Jitsu | \--------------------------------------------------------------/