> Points well taken. I just want to keep from violating patent laws. If > MCHIP is suing these guys for patent infringement I want to be rid of them! > Seems the lines on the COURTROOM floor ought to be a little less vague. It's pretty likely that Microchip will be suing these guys, simply because that is what Microchip does. IIRC, there is a claim filed in Germany or something. Would you use Scenix parts ? The MDT's are less 'clone' than the SX and aren't object compatable (although they do provide a hex file translation utility). It seems that the words "Pirate" and "Competitor" are often confused on this mailing list. Steve. ====================================================== Steve Baldwin Electronic Product Design TLA Microsystems Ltd Microcontroller Specialists PO Box 15-680, New Lynn http://www.tla.co.nz Auckland, New Zealand ph +64 9 820-2221 email: steveb@tla.co.nz fax +64 9 820-1929 ======================================================