I find the HiTech manual organized nicely. It is _not_ a C tutorial.
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't change it. Another manual or
another section of the manual for beginners would be a good idea.

Code generation is really quite good. Many times when I debugging I find
code that I couldn't improve on. It's certainly the best compiler I've
worked with in terms of generated code.

I work with two development environments. When I'm doing heavy editing and
writing I use a DOS window, Brief (does that date me?), and Borland make.
My current project has 13 source files excluding include files. Once I'm
happy with an edit, I move to MPLAB to do the debugging. Since I added the
paths for the include files MPLAB make works OK. Since I'm using a
PicMaster, I don't have much choice about using MPLAB. This is a 17C756
project.

The lastest version of the HiTech compiler merges well with the latest
MPLAB. It is a great improvement over previous versions. I don't know if
this is Clyde's work or Microchip's work, but Good Job!.

Regard, Jim Ham

At 11:46 PM 7/18/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Bob Blick wrote:
>
>>It is a very professional product, so you should not give up. The code it
>>generates is superior to the cheaper alternative. Far superior.
>
>I'll second that.  It's an _excellent_ product, and I continue to be
>pleasantly surprised at how powerful it really is. But it's a bit daunting
>for beginners.
>
>I learned C through Mix Software's Power C compiler (it's for the PC),
>which costs only $29 and has an excellent 660-page printed manual.  Check
>it out at http://www.mixsoftware.com
>
>BTW, I gave up on trying to integrate a fairly large project (many source
>files) in Hi-Tech PIC-C with the MPLAB IDE.  Instead,  I run the HPDPIC
>IDE, MPLAB and CodeWarrior concurrently, with a project in HPDPIC and an
>"empty" project open in MPLAB which simply points to the object file HPDPIC
>is generating. I edit in CodeWarrior, compile in HPDPIC, and download and
>debug with a PICMASTER in MPLAB.  I find this to be a very fast way to
>work, because it draws on the strengths of the individual products (CW's
>editor, HPDPIC's project management environment, MPLAB's debugging windows).
>
>
>
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