Tracey.....I don't know where you have worked, but here, we *design* with real world parts because its our job not only to design it, but debug the first prototypes as well. And I am not talking simple circuits with a few chips and interconnects. I've got 27 FPGA's, a dozen CPLD's, ASIC's, SRAM, SDRAM, 3 clock domains, 5V logic, 3.3V logic, and analog to boot. If I call out a 27.7555 ohm resistor, I damn well better figure out how to make it with series/parallel or settle for 27 ohm, 1% in a package no bigger than the end of a pencil. Oh...and no of course I am not angry. I suppose I am defending the engineer in that alot of us are painfully aware of the real world and that it does take a certain number of nanoseconds for data to move from one end of the board to the other, and sometimes, even that is too much. I've yet to see a tech solve that problem, not saying they cannot, but its just not part of the job description. -----Original Message----- From: Tracey DeChambeau [mailto:TADGUNINC@AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:08 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT] [Way-OT] Technicians versus Engineers In a nut shell, An engineer designs a product, from apple peelers to Xerox machines, and the technician takes the abstract idea, and makes it a functional product with real world available parts. I.E. an Eng. designs something with a 2.46537885967 ohm resistor and the tech. modifies the design and associated peripheral components to work with a 2.5 or 3 ohm resistor of appropriate tolerance, and cost effectiveness for the manufacture of said product. Hope I didn't make any engineers angry with that :o) Tracey By the way, know what an Eng. does when he gets constipated? Works it out with a pencil.... :o)