Dennis, I'm using a Z8 due to overwhelming cost advanateg at 10,000 up quantity with hardware 20 KHz PWM and 1 comparator. I'd have been happy to use a PIC but the price was nowhere near the Z8+ I'm using. I have control of the FET which is supplying the current being measured so can zero calibrate whenever I wish (subject to user not noticing ;-)) This allows me to compensate for offsets and bias currents subject to certain limitations. I can calibrate for fullscale (or any other 1 chosen operating point) during setup. LMC660 is about 4 or 5 times dearer than LM324 as far as I can see. So are most other "real" opamps. The 324 does some very nasty things which have to be worked around, BUT its sooo cheap. IF you can use it its the way top go. If you can't you shout for joy and go and use something real :-). regards Russell McMahon -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Plunkett To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Sigma Delta Converter >At 01:13 13/07/99 +1200, you wrote: >>I asked about this some weeks ago but a second query may be useful. >> >>I am trialling a Sigma Delta analog to digital converter. This SHOULD >>allow low cost high accuracy A2D with modest conversion speed. >> >>Results to data only get so good (about 1/2 percent accuracy - >>slightly worse than 8 bits)(plus a few worse results here and there) >>and then seem to offer rapidly diminishing returns. Using more >>conversion cycles doesn't seem top help much. I'm using 2048 counts >>at present and would EXPECT much better results. >> >>I have used both a standard microprocessor input pin as the sense >>element (PIC) and an internal comparator (Z8) and an external op-amp >>(LM324) as comparator. I am aware of the poor performance of the >>LM324 as a comparator but am compelled to use it if at all possible >>due to cost considerations. If it CANT be used then something else >>will be used but at around $US0.16 in volume for a quad op-amp it is >>very attractive. I also need to deal with a 0 to 0.2V input signal >>so an amplifier is desirable. >> >>Anybody had better than about 1/2% accuracy results from a Sigma >>Delta built discretely? >>Any thoughts on the process? >>This is a stunningly cheap and simple method for A2D if it would only >>work :-) - once sorted it would/will prove a boon to other PIC users. >> >> >>regards >> >> >>Russell McMahon >> >> > > >An LMC660 comes close to the bargin price, but the 324 should do. Some more >information is required, are you using a split supply for the OPAMP, if not >how close to 0V do you get. When you say 0.5% error at what voltage input >level is this? Is the error at the same input level or over the entire range? >The 324 has a 2mV offset that's up to 1% error in 200mV! Also are you using >dual slope conversion or single slope? >The number of counts not altering the value indicates that this is what the >converter is reading, so I would dare say that the reference is also ok. >But a Z8! Bad boy! >Please tell me more > >Dennis >