Many of the posts in this thread suggest that Pic unit costs are high and that Microchip's management is taking unfair advantage because they have great marketplace presence and due to support from designers typified by the Piclist. In the past six months two of our customers have received substantial (25%) price reductions when the folks in Chandler went through a shrink, lowered costs and passed along the savings. The trick is that the old non-shrunk part is still offered for sale (for quality reasons) at the old price. If one does not ask specifically for the new (B or whatever) version, they will happily keep shipping you the old devices at the old prices. Obviously one has to qo through a re-qualification proceedure but the evidence I see is that, in fact, Microchip is lowering prices when it is justified (sometimes). Tom