Now that I see there's the PIC18Cxxx devices, which solves my RAM problems, I wonder about battery backing the RAM. I'm thinking MAYBE I can just drive the PIC off my +5V through a diode with a super-cap after the diode. I'm HOPING that when the power goes out, as the super-cap discharges, the brown out detect in the PIC would shut everything down (ideally shutting down the oscillator, WDT, and putting the I/O pins in input mode so they don't try to drive anything). I can't seem to find this sort of detail in the datasheets or application notes. Any ideas? What WOULD be a good way to make the RAM in the PIC nonvolatile? Harold Harold Hallikainen harold@hallikainen.com Hallikainen & Friends, Inc. See the FCC Rules at http://hallikainen.com/FccRules and comments filed in LPFM proceeding at http://hallikainen.com/lpfm ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.