This is from another beginner. My experience was (long ago), Z80 and 8088 assembly. I picked up Easy Pic 'n and was somewhat frustrated by its simplicity (it really does hold your hand after you figure out the first 20 pages). However, like others I have read the book again and think it is not bad to start with if you want step by step stuff. The best site for me was Myke Predko's site (www.myke.com). Lots of stuff on there. His book is pretty good, too. "Programming and Customizing the PIC Microcontroller". Finally, I got all these things but was still pretty frustrated until I went to Peter Anderson's site( www.phanderson.com ) and ordered his $49.00 programmer - it had everything needed including two 16F84s. I think putting your own programmer together is not a bad idea. It gives you a better feel for what the heck you are supposed to do and I learned a lot. I downloaded PicPro for software ( www.dontronics.com has the actual link for that ) and was off like a turd of hurdles. See Peter's assembly instructions for lots of clues about what PICs are. Microchip has a couple of beginning project tutorials on their site in .pdf format. Look them over (they are free). I then got a copy of PicBasic (experienced people, close your eyes now) and used the PIC like a STAMP. That showed me it was all possible. I looked at the .asm file that was generated and decided that doing it in .asm wasn't going to be all that hard. I'm now plugging away at assembler and enjoying it all. Got a PicStart Plus because I hadn't spent enough money, yet!. Dan Hi you all gurus of the pics, I'm looking for information about how to start to program the PIC16F84, I didn't understand any of the examples that I found in the WEB, I have experience with the 8051 but this is quite diferent. Do any of you know where can I find good information for stupids like me? Thanx