> I would be trying to first read a programmed chip in circuit then proceed > onto programming. Yeah, i tried programming once, and when that didn't work, i have been just trying to verifiy. I have been probing the signals to look at them, and the difference i see when i verify with the chip in and out is that the VPP and VDD signals do have trouble at first because of the capacitor i have on the output of my 5V regulator. Someone mentioned the drive ciscuit in MC's ICSP book. I just found that circuit last night, and will try to build it today or tomorrow. I'll let you all know if it works. Thanks everyone for your help! eric Eric Hufstedler Kilovac Division of CIIT Research & Development 805-684-4575 x152 erich@kilovac.com