1. Bojan has released a freeware version - unlimited life, nothing to pay - of his P16PRO software which will program just the 16C84 and the 16F84. So you can buy my kits 96 and 119 and use this software just to program the 16x84 chips. 2. In addition this software can be used with my Kit 81 (Manning type) programmer by just renaming the kit81.ini file supplied to P16PROL.ini. Bojans software is nore robust than the manning software in a few cases. Download from http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/9620/ 3. For beginners: Buy my Kit 119 ($US22 includes postage - http://dontronics.com) and use the Freeware P16PRO Light software. I am getting zero complaints about the Kit 96 and 119 software. They are working well. For documentation see my website. regards, Peter Crowcroft PO Box 88458, Sham Shui Po, Hong Kong Voice: 852-2720 0255 Fax: 852-2725 0610 Email: peter@kitsrus.com Web: http://kitsrus.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------