This MAY be an even better idea than you realise. There will be some extra noise on Vcc right at the PIC even with good decoupling and this will have the result of inducing some noise into your oscillator. As a consequence you can expect some random jitter on the clock - this in turn will decrease its spectral purity and DECREASE the magnitude of harmonics, instead spreading the noise onto other frequencies. The end result MAY be to reduce your EMC peak emissions slightly. HP design systems where the clock is deliberately "spread" this way for just this reason. Presumably adding varicaps returned to Vcc to the PIC clock lines may help this effect :-) regards Russell McMahon -----Original Message----- From: Ernie Murphy To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 1:43 AM Subject: Osc cap return With the PICs I've been using, Vcc not RTN is nearest the oscilator pins. I don't know if this is true the the whole PIC line, but may well be. So when I have to ground my osc caps (actually I use a resonator, same thing applies), I could either go the long way around to the real ground pin, or "Ground" these caps to Vcc. Guess what I do? Nail em right to Vcc. Vcc is an AC short to ground (what do you think all those bypass caps do?), and is a fine return point for the caps. My application is an accurate timer, so I implicitly test start-up time. I've tested these things from -60 to +150¡C and they start up and start pronto every time.