Because Im using the c74 mainly for the PSP, I might not use rb6 and rb7 for I/O, just for the ICSP, so in that case I would probably just need to tie them to ground through a 10k resistor wouldnt I ? Also I take it that the chip would go immediately into pgm mode on startup and wouldnt get a chance to start running the program, I take it this is what you mean by tying osc1 to ground, Andy. Thanks Justin Grimm ----- Original Message ----- From: Jamil J. Weatherbee To: Sent: Thursday, 27 May 1999 3:56 Subject: Re: ICSP > 10k usually is a good value, if your using the pin as an input to the pic > if output then you need to evaluate R based on what you are driving, > acceptable voltage drop and current etc. > > > > On Wed, 26 May 1999, Justin Grimm wrote: > > > Hi all > > Has anybody had any problems with in circuit serial programming? > > Im going to implement it in a new pcb design. I take it you just > > bring vdd,vss,rb6,rb7 and mclr out to a connector. > > does anyone recommend a size of resistor to use for the design > > in the 167x databook? > > Thanks > > Justin > > >