Finally, something I can give my opinion on ! I am also a newbie who knows very little about uCs and electronics in general. I chose the PicStart Plus for several reasons and here they are : 1) It has the MicroChip name on it. This may seem stupid, but from a newbie standpoint, I figure if MicroChip can't get it right, then who can . 2) Unsure of which PICs I'll be using, the PS+ supports most if not all of the PIC line. 3) Intergrates with MPLAB making it easy for me to use. 4) The price isn't bad. As a comparison, Jameco sells a Parallax programmer that doesn't support all the chips the PS+ does for $120. Plus for some of the chips you need a 40 pin ZIF adapter which will set you back another $60. And from what I see, it doesn't support the 17CXX devices. ( Not bashing the Parallax programmer here, guys ). The PS+ cost me about $200 IIRC. 5) Free firmware updates. The reasons I chose not to build my own programmer : 1) Being an electronics newbie I wasn't confident in my ability to troubleshoot the project if I had problems. 2) Most only support a narrow range of PICs and I wasn't sure which PICs I will work with. There are other reasons but the short of it is : I figured if I was going to learn about PICs and electronics, the last thing I needed was to be wondering if I was doing something wrong or if it was my programmer. The PS+ is simple and has support. Note that I am not bashing DIY programmers. In fact, I would like to build my own someday just to see if I can. I have both Easy PIC'n and PIC'n Up the Pace. They are good books but I can't recommend them. 1) I think they're kind of expensive and second there is no way to get the code listings in the book. You have to hand enter them. I know, I know, I'm lazy but I would rather spend time stepping through the code or trying to make my circuit work than keying in mistakes. I believe Myke Predko has a book that is recommended often on this list. It's on my list of things I need to buy. www.myke.com is the link and the book is "Programming and Customizing the PIC Microcontroller". From his website it appears the book contains a design for a DIY programmer. HTH, Eric On Wednesday, May 26, 1999 4:15 PM, Nathan Bean [SMTP:natebean@HOTMAIL.COM] wrote: > I'd like to get started in PIC microcontrollers. However, I don't know > which programmer I should get. Is the PicStart Plus worth the money or > should I get another type (or homebrewed). Also, what would you recommend > for a good book? Easy Pic'n, maybe??? > > Thanks in advance > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com