I've implemented ICSP on the 12C509 with no problems. Used 4.7k isolation resistors, but I think 10k is the recommended value if you can do it without affecting operation. 4.7k works fine for me. I'm using the Promate II with the ICSP module. This module buffers everything to provide more drive power. @ Sent by: pic microcontroller discussion list 05/26/99 09:57 AM NST Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: bcc: Subject: Re: ICSP > Hi all > Has anybody had any problems with in circuit serial programming? > Im going to implement it in a new pcb design. I take it you just > bring vdd,vss,rb6,rb7 and mclr out to a connector. > does anyone recommend a size of resistor to use for the design > in the 167x databook? > Thanks > Justin > 10K will work just fine. Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê/"\ Friendly Regards Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê\ / Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê X ÊASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Octavio Nogueira Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê/ \ AGAINST HTML MAIL =================================================== nogueira@propic2.com Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê Ê ÊICQ# 19841898 >From the creator of ProPic,ProPic 2 now much better New ProPic 2 Êhomepage: Ê Ê Êhttp://www.propic2.com PIC Programmer for Windows with down to earth price ===================================================