Hi again I have two questions?? 1) is there anyway I can use the ludipipo 1.0 to program a 16F84 pic, and 2) how come I can program a 16C84 pic with my old computer(25mhz) and have program errors on my new computer(235mhz) ????? and can I fix it????. I use windows 98 on my computer, and when I program I restart in dos mode. Thank You for your time!! James Shepherd ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]