Hi Guys.... As part of my current project recycling old computers.... for charity, I have come accross a few old battery packs, left over from lap tops... Thinking about what someone had said about there usually only being a few bad cells in a pack, I cracked one open, to take a look inside. Sure enough, there were a few bad cells, and a few extra components I hadn't expected to find. Taking apart a second, different type of battery pack, has added to my confusion, and just increased the number of questions I have.... I figure one old 10 hour laptop battery should have more than enough power for a PIC for quite a while, so I was looking at the design, in order to figure out how to borrow parts of it for my PIC'N. Anyways, I figure the radial lead unit that looks like a cap, with a pointed cap, is some sort of temperature cut-out element that breaks the circuit if it overheats, its labeled micro-temp, so this seems likely. and I figure the square cross-section but long can, with the Isuzu label on it, is probably an auto-rated breaker to cut the circuit if it goes over-amps.... But what I can't figure out, is why the only two cells that have anything wrong with them are the ones these two circuit elements are connected to? The battery pack is supposedly a NI-MH type, rated at 12V and 2.2A for 10hrs. it has 10 "Sanyo TWICELLS" rated at 1.2V each. But a similar phone pack, using the same Ni-MH technology, has cells rated at .6v each.... Am I right in assuming they are hiding two cells in the TWICELL cylinders? and that the base voltage of a Ni-MH cell is .6V? Or are the phone cells simply under-charged? GREY GRAEME SMITH email: grysmith@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca YMCA Edmonton Address has changed with little warning! (I moved across the hall! :) ) Email will remain constant... at least for now.