David,

Thanks.  That was my second choice, guess it should have been my first.  I
looked into both of them and decided on Electronics Workbench mostly because of
the money back guarantee.  Now if I only had the time to use it in the 30 days
that feature would have been usefull.

David Covick wrote:

> Brain,
>
> I use both CircuitMaker 6.0 and Traxmaker 3.0......................no
> problem with this.
> Create your own parts and output to Traxmaker.
>
> Even with the older versions this worked fine.
>
> CircuitMaker is far better that Electronics Workbench in every way.
> Unfortunately, Electronic Workbench got into the schools (like Apple) and
> everyone got tricked.(and still are getting tricked)
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Kraut <engalt@EARTHLINK.NET>
> To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU <PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU>
> Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Schematic Entry Program
>
> >I have a licensed copy of Electronics Workbench with the original disks,
> >manuals, etc. that I would sell cheap.  It is a great program for doing
> >digital, analog, or mixed signal spice simulation.  Only problem with it is
> >they made one very major bonehead move when they wrote the software.  I got
> it
> >mainly becase I needed a schematic entry program that would output a
> netlist
> >that was compatible with my Traxmaker autorouter.  Being mainly a Spice
> >simulation program there are no PICs in the parts library since they can't
> be
> >simulated.  Since there are also no other 18 or 28 pin DIP parts either I
> can't
> >do a schematic of a PIC circuit.  Now I have $300 software that is totally
> >useless to me.
> >
> >You can define custom parts on the software, but they won't output in the
> >netlist.  Unfortunately, I was about 5 days past the 30 day return period
> >before I had a cance to use it and they refused to take it back.  Therefore
> I
> >bad mouth their software any chance I get.  Now how many new sales have
> they
> >lost?
> >
> >While on the subject, does anyone use Circuitmaker?  Does it have the same
> >problem?  I wouldn't think so since they make Traxmaker also and have more
> of
> >an interest in a program that is usefull for schematics as well as
> simulation.
> >
> >Actually my favorite is my old Dos version of OrCad.  I can draw a
> schematic
> >with my keyboard 5 times as fast as as opening menus and dragging parts
> around
> >with the mouse in any Windows schematic program I have used.  If there was
> only
> >a way to make the netlists work with Traxmaker.
> >
> >Vincent Deno wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know of a free (either Freeware, Shareware, etc...) analog
> >> schematic entry program?  I don't need simulation capabilities or
> anything
> >> fancy-just something to enter a schematic into.  The evaluation versions
> of
> >> most programs are too limited for my needs (can't place enough parts).
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Vincent Deno
> >