If I remember correctly, the old DSS card was a MC69XXX something or other Motorola micro, and the newer 'H' series is a 805X Intel type chip, so I'm not sure you can read either. Tom -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Larry Fostano Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 6:17 PM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: Smart Card programming with Picstart+ I downloaded some info on how to extract the info off a DSS box threw the 15 pin wide data port.Can you send me a print as to what you designed and I will find the info as to what I have if you like.