Hi, am new I would like to know if I can use the Charles Manning Programmer that programs the pic16C84, to program the pic16F84 and how to set it up?? Thank You for your time Jim ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]