If I were considering getting rid of my PicMaster stuff and going with a replacement, which current or new soon to be released product would be superior to what I have? It also needs to support the latest COD files that are generated by Clyde's excellent PIC-C compiler. BTW, I wanted to reply to the "gang initiation" message, but I resisted. Resistance is not futile, don't reply to junk. We don't need a new list. / John Craft John A. Craft Voice: 228-689-8103 Sr. Analyst Fax: 228-689-8130 Nation Computer Services http://www.ncs-ssc.com MSAAP, Bldg 9101, Ste 105D Stennis Space Center MS 39529