I've released a resident bootloader for the new Microchip PIC16F87x parts. The bootloader talks to a host computer over a serial port. The whole idea is that you don't need any external hardware or special software to upload a new image to your board. No more sockets, programmers, or funky software; just a 9 pin serial cable and Hyperterminal. If your interested take a look at my web page. Feed back is welcome. http://www.execpc.com/~rfarmer/ -- Rick Farmer | 916 E. Ogden Ave. #312 Electrical Engineer | Milwaukee, Wi. 53202 rfarmer@execpc.com | 414-273-9740