Hi folks, I have posted the lasted version of WinTM4 with 16C87x support. There has also been some great news for the small number of uses getting run time error 5 messages for both WinTM4 and WinPSP. Please email me for details. Jim ________________________________________ Jim Robertson Email: newfound@pipeline.com.au http://www.pipeline.com.au/users/newfound MPLAB compatible PIC programmers and firmware upgrades for many programmers. ________________________________________