I use an old 486 clunker at home and used to use one here at work. Both served my programming needs without any worries except for the odd glitch - usually my own fault. Work decided to upgrade to Win 95 and a new Pentium speed blaster. With all the new bloatware it uses, I think the fan runs faster than the computer, and it just seems to be a tin box full of problems. I wonder if things are now advancing at such a rate that no one fully understands how to get a PC to run reliably any more. -- Best regards Tony Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools. ** NEW PicNPro Programmer and Port Interface ** http://www.picnpoke.com Email picnpoke@cdi.com.au