I think that if the Picstart 16B software is made available it would be a good thing judging by the amount of programming enquiries. Surely anything that makes using a PIC easier for us has got to be good for Microchip. On a blank note... It always amazes me at the posts saying "Somebody" wrote: followed by a copy of one or more previous posts, but nothing else. I scan later to see if a follow up is sent, but still nothing. Strange!!? -- Best regards Tony Multimedia 16F84 Beginners PIC Tools. ** NEW PicNPro Programmer and Port Interface ** http://www.picnpoke.com Email picnpoke@cdi.com.au