parallaxinc.com ?!?!?!?!? no they are not *just* surface mount pics, they also have an external eeprom and a basic interpriter programed onto the pic.... the new one uses an sx chip?? i think and is much better, however you are much better off useing regular pics and a compiler suck as PBP ryan >Could someone point me towards some good sites where I can learn about >stamps >please?(I would just search but know ill have to sift through adds and >rubish!) >Are they not just surface mount pics?