The trick here is to buy a JW version and program it .... then keep the old chip to reprogram the JW in the future! I also keep a copy of the old software to run from diskette. Works for me! Wil Reeder teachtech@bc.sympatico.ca Vancouver,Canada 0x33 solar,wind,tide, TEG renewable energy ---------- | From: Stefan Sczekalla-Waldschmidt | To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU | Subject: Re: Antwort: PICSTART PLUS firmware UPDATE | Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:46 AM | | > Why does he need a second programmer? He can use the picstart plus | > to program the new firmware - QED. | > | snip