I just got a new All electronics catalog today and they have 640x480 LCD panels with on board drivers. 6"x4.5" veiwing area for 25 bux On board drivers are not the same as an on-board controller. (your standard hitachi ascii display has both, right?) A VGA LCD with drivers needs something analagous to an expensive VGA card to give it dot-addressable or text capabilities. (You could probably do SOMETHING with just a PIC, but it'd be as hard as driving video directly, I think.) BillW